Q and A: Starting a Tapestry of Grace Co-op

This is a post for my Tapestry of Grace (ToG) friends all over the country who are interested in starting a co-op using this rich curriculum. When my friends and I began our co-op it was difficult to find information on how to start. I googled Tapestry of Grace co-ops and wrote every leader I could with questions. Thankfully, I found a couple of sweet souls willing to correspond by e-mail. I asked one leader if I and our core-team could come visit. We desperately wanted to see a co-op in action! Unfortunately for us, we were unable to do so. Though we lacked the information we desired, our team “got to planning” and two years later, we are so blessed by our thriving group. I hope this post (and subsequent posts, if needed) may make the process a little easier for some of you. Grab a cup of tea and feel free to peek at what we do through my Tapestry posts (in sidebar.) Leave your questions in the comments and I’ll do my best to answer them.

Be sure to visit Marcia Somerville’s co-op information. This is a great starting point. Our first year schedule and rules and regulations are uploaded there as well as documents from other Tapestry groups.

Without further ado, here are the first 10 questions I’ve been asked about our co-op:

1. Why did you begin a Tapestry of Grace co-op?

I love ToG and, before starting our co-op, had used it at home for five years. For basic information about Tapestry, please read my posts about its benefits for various levels. It is, in my opinion, the most family-friendly, comprehensive, flexible curriculum on the market. Foundational to its use are Socratic discussions. Students learn by reading. However, discussing themes, ideas, and worldview takes learning to a much higher level. Until my children were in high school, I held most discussions through read-aloud time or casually over our lunch break. I desired more for the high school years. However, because I also had a four children in the dialectic and grammar stages, I knew I could not set aside the 4+ hours a week for these discussions.

Two of my friends, also ToG users, were in the same predicament. We did not want to abandon our curriculum in favor of paid high school classes at another co-op for several reasons. The classes, while reasonable, were about $500/year per class. Also, none of us had drivers which meant the twice-a-week commitment for our older children would take us away from homeschooling our younger ones. We felt strongly that if we pooled our resources (time and talent), we could put together a dynamic discussion group for our rhetoric students using the curriculum we owned.

2. How did the idea transpire to a co-op?

First of all, we prayed about it for several months. There were four of us. Three of us used Tapestry already. We decided to start with just a Dialectic/Rhetoric-level group in a home if that is what the Lord wanted for us. However, as we talked and prayed, we felt strongly that we all preferred our weekly meeting time to benefit all of our children. So, we brainstormed a few other families that might want to join and contacted them personally. We targeted rhetoric and dialectic-level families who also had younger children. Without advertising, we pretty quickly acquired twelve interested families. With these twelve families, we had 36 children which gave us 5-8 in each level – preschool, lower grammar, upper grammar, dialectic and rhetoric.

3. When, where and how often do you meet? 

Once we knew we had enough families to begin a co-op, we prayerfully approached our church staff and graciously were given permission to meet on Mondays from 8:30-1:30. This was the only day available, so we took it!

4. How did you decide what year plan to use?

Three out of four of our “core team” ladies had used Tapestry for several years. Two of them were beginning Year 1. So, the beginning seemed like a very good place to start. 🙂

5. How are your age groups broken down?

The first year, we had 4, 5 and some 6 year olds in a pre-k/k group; 1st-3rd graders in lower grammar; 4th-6th in upper grammar; 7th-8th in dialectic and 9th-12th in rhetoric. This year, we do not have a preschool. We have a K-1 (lower grammar), 2-3 (lower grammar), 4-5 (upper grammar), 6 (dialectic), 7-8 (dialectic) and 9-12(rhetoric). Next year we will have a preschool. We also plan to separate 9th grade for a hybrid class (rhetoric lit and dialectic history).

6. How do you decide who teaches each class and how are the teachers compensated?

Teachers are not compensated. Each participant must stay the whole day, lead-teach at least one class, assist at least one class and, if needed, additional classes. We determine who teaches each class via Surveymonkey. So far, each teacher has been able to teach where she/he feels most interested/competent. Each class has at least one assistant. If a teacher can’t be at co-op, she makes arrangements with her assistant.

7. Do you only use ToG or do you use other curriculum as well?

At the rhetoric level, we only use ToG. Rhetorics discuss literature (1.5 hours) History/Church History/Geography (2 hours), Philosophy (45 min) and Government (45 minutes). That is all they have time to do in our 5-hour day. Dialectics have a little more time, so they have a science class. Upper Grammars have ToG art and science as well as literature, history, geography and lapbooks. Lower grammars listen to Story of the World, take turns reading ToG literature aloud, have a PE time and do lapbooks and science. K/1’s have a music class, science, art, story time, phonics time and Story of the World time. We have used both Apologia and Elemental Science. Elemental Science has been a huge hit for our lower grammar students and we are considering using it for all classes 8th grade and under next year.

Basically, the younger the class, the more time there is in our co-op day for additional classes.

8. Do you use ToG writing?


Last year I worked two conferences in the ToG booth, and was frequently asked this question. Moms particularly wanted my opinion about Tapestry writing compared to theme-based IEW (Institute for Excellence in Writing). I am a certified IEW instructor, and I like IEW products. However, I am a huge proponent of ToG writing assignments. We ask all our members to purchase Writing Aids.  Part of the beauty of Tapestry is the multi-faceted learning of which writing is a vital part. Writing about the history and literature solidifies many themes for students. I recommend that moms watch Teaching Writing With Structure and Style videos (an IEW resource) to help them learn key elements of the writing process and gain confidence in teaching. However, it is not necessary nor do I recommend that ToG’s writing assignments be abandoned for another program. Writing Aides contains excellent notes for the teacher, graphic organizers, and grading rubriks. The writing assignments help solidify key concepts of the curriculum. You will want to study grammar. You may want to spend a good semester teaching essay components or supplementing where you see areas of weakness with your student. However, Writing Aids and ToG assignments are excellent. We’ve had great success using them.

9.  How many members of your co-op used Tapestry before joining?

Of our 12 families the first year, 5 used it previously. Only two of the families were on the same year plan. However, those not on Year 1 were willing to adjust for the sake of the co-op.  The second year 11 families returned and 13 families joined. To my knowledge, all our new families had never used ToG. I am very excited about next year because we will have 22 out of 30-ish families with at least one year of Tapestry use under their belts! Exciting!

10. How do you teach moms to use the curriculum?

This is an ongoing process. We begin by requiring interested families to download the free three-week plan from Tapestry, study the website and watch the introductory videos. They then meet with a core-team member. We show them a week’s plan. We show them student notebooks. We answer their questions. The beauty of our co-op is each member contributes something. Thus no one has to do it all. “Many hands make work light” is very true of what we do. Moms are motivated to invest time in learning the curriculum but they do not have to “have it all together” to get started. We require SAPacks (and soon the Map and EvalPacks.) We share ideas during “free” periods at our co-op day. We have a Yahoo forum where we encourage one another as well. There is still a little ToG fog. However, because we meet on a weekly basis, there is regular opportunity for encouragement and mentoring.

… And there you have it. If you have further questions, please ask away in the comments and I’ll happily answer them in another post.



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16 Responses to “Q and A: Starting a Tapestry of Grace Co-op”

  1. Christine Says:

    I really appreciated your well thought out blog on a TOG co-op. We are in a rural area, so I don’t anticipate ever getting to participate in such a wonderful and rich experience, but I was hoping to glean from your experience with TOG. I apologize if this isn’t the place to post this question. Please answer me privately if it isn’t.

    Writing is my weak area in our homeschool. Could you compare Writing Aids with IEW? You mention it in your post almost as if they are one in the same. IEW was very confusing to me when I tried to implement it with my girls. My students are entering 5th, 4th, 2nd and K. I am looking for a solid program that will give them the skills to express themselves logically and clearly. My oldest daughter is a senior and has been accepted to college. She acquired her excellent writing skills through years of a private Christian school, a classical tutoring school for homeschoolers and now an online dual-credit program. I won’t be able to use any of those resources for my youngers and need a program that will do an excellent job. Are the high school students in your co-op who are using Writing Aids finding that their writing is college-bound level or higher? Thanks for your help.

  2. Tina Says:

    Hi Christine. Thanks for leaving a comment.

    IEW and Writing Aids are not the same and I am sorry for not being a little clearer about that in my post. I think the reason I jumped into the comparison like I did is in my experience working the Tapestry booth at two homeschool conferences, the most common question I was asked concerned comparing the two programs.

    I’d like to respond to your question in another post.

    In short, yes, the older children in our co-op are well prepared for college. Most of them have primarily used Tapestry’s writing program and had one year of IEW instruction in their junior high years. I recommend learning the stylistic techniques and structural components of IEW. I don’t recommend replacing all writing instruction for IEW resources (or any other company) in place of Tapestry. One reason is students no longer write about their week’s lessons. A weakness of IEW over the long term is students find a false security in the requirements and have a very hard time learning to use the stylistic techniques appropriately. They once receive credit just for getting them in their papers. Then when they are in high school, the same requirements that once gave them points, hinder them. (Too many modifiers that weaken the verbs, clauses that aren’t necessary, “decorations” where they don’t belong).

    So many moms feel like you do -that writing is their weakness. I once did as well. My encouragement to you is to learn a little more about writing. Focus on the paragraph. It is the building block of essays and research papers. Focus on topic sentences, subject/verb agreement, active voice, strong verbs and sentence-opener variety. Later, learn about thesis statements, the basic essay and transitions. Study what constitutes good “body paragraph evidence.” When teaching the essay, read about different types of introductions and conclusions. As you learn, teach your student. Write together! Seriously, once in a while, write a paragraph along with your child. My kids love it when I do this and it truly helps them learn. Compare papers. As I said, the teacher notes in WA are excellent.

    The most important thing is to make sure your child writes every week. Your younger children are fine to just do copy work for a while. Your 5th grader should be writing paragraphs. Don’t worry about essays, research papers, etc. just yet. Just focus on the paragraph and write at least one a week.

    One thing I’ve done that has been very helpful is trade papers with a friend for final edits/comments/etc.

    I hope that helps some. Again, at some point, I’d like to write a post about ToG and writing so if you have further questions, feel free to ask.

  3. Christine Says:

    I’m sorry if I am thick-headed, but are you saying that WA teaches all of the skills that you listed in the paragraph about what I should learn about writing? Otherwise, where do you recommend I learn these things?

  4. Tina Says:

    Christine, Yes. Read Cathy Duffy’s review:

    You may also want a good grammar resource. I own the Blue Book of Grammar and it is worth having.

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  6. Jammie Says:

    Which elemental science did you use? The living books or classical version?

  7. Mandy Says:

    Hi 🙂 We are in the process of starting a co-op and cant figure out how this would work with all of the books needed. Can you please help me!!!! Would every child need their own copies of each of the books? Thanks!!!

  8. Tina Says:

    Mandy, There are so many ways to structure a co-op and a lot depends on the ages of the children in it. Each of our families do own their own books. We meet for enrichment for younger children and discussions for the older ones. I’m happy to answer your questions.

  9. Mandy Says:

    We are trying to make it affordable and wanted to do the main instruction one full day, once weekly. Maybe that wont be an option. I am glad to have stumbled upon your site after many hours of searching! Maybe the co-ops for this curriculum are just for enrichment. Is every book on the list required and needed? We are doing a prek-12 co-op. I am not sure what the licensing for co-ops provides or anything. Any info would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you so much!!!!

  10. Mandy Says:

    I have never had the curricula in my hands. We just came across it and loved it during searching.

  11. Mandy Says:

    Would it be too big of request to ask each parent to get them from the library or is it too many books at once? I realize I am asking a big question. We looked at the 3 free weeks online. Its a bit overwhelming as this is our first year even starting a co-op. We cant start something without confidence that it will work. The co-op dream came before the curricula choice. There are so many out there. We obviously want it Christian based and TOG looks awesome!! I guess my main question is, are the books needed while you are working on work. Does the book correlate with the work needing to be done to the point that each would need their own copy at home? Would it be possible to do the reading during class? The lesson plans mention reading chapters for the older kids. Maybe then they could get those books from the library? These questions may sound silly but with never actually seeing the curricula I do not know very much. I am most grateful of your time! Thanks!

  12. Tina Says:

    Mandy, It probably would be best for us to talk on the phone. Let’s schedule a time. My email is tina@thejobes.com Send me a message and we’ll figure out a time to talk. ToG does work beautifully with co-ops. Ours is such a blessing!

  13. Mandy Says:

    Thank you!!! What a blessing!! I will do just that!!

  14. Jennifer Smith Says:

    Hello Tina. I was so thrilled to come across this! We are thinking of starting a co-op with TOG. I’m looking at the book and trying to determine what parts would be done in the classroom and what would be done at home. The kids are ranging from K- 8th grade. I’m more concerned for the older kids Dialectic Kids. I would imagine that would be the opportunity for the discussions/ questions? Any help you could provide would be lovely in how you decided this… Thanks..


  15. Tina Says:

    Hi Jennifer, My email is tina@thejobes.com. Feel free to contact me and I’m glad to help you in any way I can.

  16. Camie Says:

    Hi Tina! I am so thankful to find this website. I have been part of a TOG co-op for 5 years. We began small with 3 families meeting in my home and are currently at 12 families meeting in a church. I am curious if you cap your classes. We are finding that when we have more than 10 students in a classroom, if is difficult to have a discussion with all of the students. Any thoughts on how to handle a 12+ classroom where all of the students still participate and discuss? If we divide ourselves into smaller groups, we won’t have enough mommas to teach as each mom only desires to teach one class. Thanks for your thoughts.

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